Hebrews 10:26-27 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgement . . .
I must admit, I am not entirely sure what is being communicated in this passage. I believe scripture is clear that your salvation can not be lost. But this verse makes it quite clear that judgement will come, even to believers. Best case, there will be a cost in eternity as we stand before the judgement seat of Christ. Worst case, we make a mockery of what our Lord has done for us at the cross (and by our actions, denying Him). Which scenario are you willing to accept?
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I think it’s talking about your salvation being lost if you weren’t saved in the first place. Like you realise that this is truth, but you brush it off and go the way you were going anyway. That’s very scary. Also there is a thing about those who fall away after having once tasted of the heavenly gift… cannot be brought back to repentance. I think that is in Hebrews also, maybe the same chapter.
Thanks for this post. Those words “make a mockery of what our Lord has done for us..” is so powerful. We need prayers all around.
By: diana on 11 November 2006
at 12:20 am
You truly make me think…..if you get the chance check out “Have You Seen His Majesty” at My Alabaster Box just my thoughts poured out after reading this post………..thanks for edifying me today.
By: D.S. Lear on 11 November 2006
at 5:19 pm
This is a good reflecting point of interaction. Thanks for bringing it up Alex!
I think a good place to continue thinking about this is in Ephesians 4:30
“And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.”
key things I continue to ponder in this are two words “grieve” & “sealed.”
I agree with you both, Diana & Alex in eternal security. I do think in addition as you are thinking also that actions have consequences. There can be grace given but consequences can still come even through periods of grace. Like, a leader of the faith, falling in huge ways…..God will give grace & God will give consequences. But, so many hard hard consequences won’t disappear. A loss of trust means a season of building up trust.
I’m glad for your thinking friend!
Shar
By: Sharla on 12 November 2006
at 12:56 am
Interesting to debate between what constitutes ‘deliberate’ sinning and what doesn’t!!
God bless
Maria in the UK
http://www.inhishands.co.uk
By: Maria on 13 November 2006
at 3:19 am
This was actually the writing of my friend (notice there’s no signature) and I’m still doing my own research on the subject, but I will leave my notes here when I’m done.
I seem to recall another reference to “deliberate sin” in either 1 or 2 Peter, but I’m having a hard time finding it.
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By: Alex on 13 November 2006
at 3:38 pm
I am refreshed hearing you say that………”doing my own research”.
I get so energized by seeing believers search the scriptures.
blessings friend
shar
By: Sharla on 13 November 2006
at 9:20 pm
Isaiah 53:5 states the “he” (I believe this scripture is talking about Jesus) was wounded for our transgressions and bruised for our iniquities. I’ve heard folks say “sin is sin” but here we have two different words for sin one transgressions meaning you broke the law, missed the mark, fallen short we have All done that. Then the word iniquity which I believe is that deliberate, immoral, peverse, willful kind of sin….whether intentional as the last or unintentional as the first all sin has a penalty of death. Interestingly here in Isaiah 53:5 we see two different forms of punishment, “a wound for transgressions” a piercing wound is what is meant, an incision a cut that allows blood to flow freely….and the other a bruise indication a blow to the body but skin is not broken….the blood rushes to the surface of skin but never is released…..leaving a black mark…I was just thinking after pondering that isn’t that what deliberate sinning does….it just crushes the face of Christ once again…no amount of massaging a bruise makes it go away…in fact it makes it worse…yet we massage our own conscience with excuses, we try to hide the mark of sin behind our own justifications, and refuse to look into the face of Christ. If we would look at his face, like looking into a “pool of reflection” we would see the bruises he took for our willful sin….we must take the sword of Truth and open up our flesh and let the blood flow..without the “shedding of blood their is no remission of sin”….Luke 13:25-27 is the most sobering scripture to me…..people who ate and drank in his presence, heard his word….and Jesus said I don’t know you…Depart you workers of iniquity…Sobering….Search me O God, try me and see if their be any wicked way in me…that I might now circumcise my heart and crucify my flesh….Long comment again I know but forgive my rambling simply put today you made me think how their is a difference in stumbling in the dark and jumping off a cliff in broad daylight….the Light of His Word can keep me from stumbling IF I walk in it but if I deliberately continue to reject Him I will be possessed by none other than my self….running head long off that cliff like a suicidal pig..choosing to drop into the Abyss of Darkness.
By: Donna Lear on 14 November 2006
at 9:28 am
AHA I usually notice when the signature is missing, but I missed it this time. Good luck in your research! God bless you,
Diana
By: diana on 14 November 2006
at 12:06 pm
While the definition of what constitutes deliberate sin is important, what about the word sacrifice in verse 26.
If you follow the writer’s argument through all of chapter 10, I think it’s more likely that the sacrifice in verse 26 isn’t Christ’s sacrifice but the sacrifice of “bulls and goats,” the Jewish sacrificial system on the Day of Atonement.
By: Rob on 13 September 2007
at 10:33 pm
I guess I should explain more. I think that what the writer of Hebrews is saying in this chapter is that Christ’s sacrifice is good for all sins paid for once and for all. Our past and future sins are all forgiven due to Christ’s work on the cross, but if you want to go back to the old Jewish sacrificial system there is no sufficient sacrifice available, all that’s left is judgement.
By: Rob on 13 September 2007
at 10:40 pm
yeah, i have been pretty torn on this as well. i can relate to the fearful expectation of judgment. when you are aware of youre deliberate offense to the Lord it is very easy to fall into that adam and eve sin the garded mentality. to fear and hide. to be too ashamed and to scared to face the Lord. the rest still has me baffled. im still confused.
i would like to respond to the comment earlier about how great it is to hear about another brother or sister “doing there own research”. 2 Timothy 2:15 says:
Earnestly study to show yourself approved to God, a workman unashamed, rightly dividing the Word of Truth.
this is a command given and not a suggestion. our purpose on this earth is to seek to serve the Lord and grow in him through constant prayer without ceasing (1thessalonians 5:17) and diligent study of His word. seek him. dig into his word. there is nothing else of any importance on this earth or in our lives other than our relationship with the Lord and savior Jesus Christ.
By: michael on 22 November 2008
at 7:34 am
Hi,
Brothers and Sisters,
In my late teens, but went back and forth and back forth and thought for a long time after I left for good and I do mean good that I was damned forever. The church was a commune hippie live in church we practiced high morals, went witnessing every evening, and many came to Christ. I got baptized. Spoke in tongues which has never left me. Then I found out after I had left that the leader had divorced his wife of five children, driven her away, married his baby sitter three weeks after the divorce was final. Used to yell and scream at older brothers for having us infidel younger brothers trying to talk to him like getting an audience with the pope. Said our way was the only one true way. Our color coded help manual the only was through him to understand scripture. Manipulated most of what everyone read in the bible, created multiple traditions of men. their was little love but a hard hand of obedience, there was little encouragement but a strong slap in the face for any sin. We endured foot washing which i still agree with but not with a steel wool pad. When we asked about blasphemy we were blown off and told we did not need to know we might commit it. We could not witness to anyone over thirty. We were told to have little if any contact with family members. Relationships and marriage was forbidden. And everybody not me donated their entire paychecks to the church each week. When I lived in a DC fellowship I had to live in Gospel mission to prove myself worthy to move into fellowship. We all got very little sleep and the church which told me if I left i could never belong to another church because I had to be faithful to what I knew essentially damned me because I believed them. See COBU…
There was little discipling at all. And older brothers and sisters tried to emulate Stewart Trail a man of forty who was a con man who now owns five airplanes and two multi million dollar condos and more. The rest of the money is hidden. He used to get the older brothers to do his dirty work like kicking people out of fellowship or disowning them in front of the whole church if you can at this point call it that. I did learn and believe that Jesus was the truth at one point until I lost all faith and then found it again. Although some things in Hebrews say you can not I will go further. Stewart was supposed to have the gift of knowing the spirits. It was a lie like the lie him letting the rumor be spread that he was the Prophet Elijah. A lot of people who loved Jesus or wanted to know the real Jesus ended up as Spiritual shipwrecks. May God and Jesus forgive him. He got caught grouping two young sisters in eighty eight in Philly and others came forth saying he asked about their sexual fantasies and if they wanted to be his half wife. Can you get saved by the Moonies, or The Peoples Temple some will argue at one time you could but after Jim Jones had nine hundred people drink poisoned Kool Aid at the point of a Gun and declared himself God some people started to wonder.
Hebrews was written to Jews in the first parts as far as what I have researched and the leaving and departing is from a first century apostolic church that may not have had the complete New Testament yet but had scrolls and letters and Paul and others. Which would you like to have? He speaks in Chapter four about the problems of not growing up to spiritual maturity and how after years and years these disciples should have been teachers, and seems to be upset that he has to go through this with them all again. Faith in God, the laying on of hands. Baptism, etc. Before he goes into the warning which I believe is not for these child minded older lambs of God. he says about the milk feeding in chapter four and laying a new foundation that he is indicating that there not walking like they should and probably were mortally sinning all they they were to dumb to know it, He goes on and says basically OK guys we will do this one more time… IF GOD PERMITS. and here is the key because when the warning comes after that your toast. for the most part but one thing left off you see Jewish believers that went back to the temple to sacrifice had to make a mockery of Christ in Public they had to say that Jesus was a witch and was did his miracles by demons was a blasphemer and that the Jewish Authorities were right to crucify him. I.E. You can not bring them to repentance because they crucify Christ a second time for their own desires. What were their desires…. to go back to Judaism when they sacrificed and put more confidence in blood of goats and sheep than in the Living Savior who died once and for all in scorn just to be accepted by their peers they Blasphemed the Holy Ghost. When people do such a thing the Holy Ghost leaves them and Satan enters them and he does not return because now they are unbridled the Holy Ghost was restraining them from what sins. iniquity and transgressions they would commit and they most likely went wild with sin which hardened their hearts so much that they could not repent. Repent meaning to turn from. In Ancient Israel the only way a wicked man could make it to the bossom of Abraham before the Messiah came was to TURN from all unrighteousness with a humble and contrite heart unto God that they should live by Faith that was of God. I am reminded of the verse that says I am the Lord I do not change. God has let the children of Israel return that worshiped other Gods now and back then also but after a while he gets feed up with it so you never no if you are living in sin when God may just cut you off and harden your heart and then you will have no heart for repentance i.e. turning away from all your sin.
Jesus said If you say you do not sin you lie; My viewpoint confess your sins to one another, we live in a wicked and adulterous age without the coming together of the body we have no chance for fellowship. If we can not trust one another we do not trust Jesus and the truth is not in us. There is another verse and you can do a word search for it that says … If a man can not confess his sins before man whom he can see how can he confess his sins before God whom he can not see? Hebrews Ten and twenty six. Willful sin… what sin is not willful what sins are willful. The sacrifice for someone who backslid and it says in some places I have utterly turned backward indicates turning back to the world, back to the flesh, back from being rooted in Christ and loosing our first love. David willful sin with Bathsheba for a King of Israel through which the adoptive Father and the natural mother of the Messiah were to be born of to sin so… boggles the mind … for a man of whom God said David was a man after his own heart. David knew God the Father and Jesus the son and the Holy Spirit better than virtually anyone that has lived including Mosses. When he sinned he knew what god he was turning to. His sin was willful. He was forgiven and King Saul was not. Why? God says I love obedience and I HATE SACRIFICE. Why? Because the Lord knew he would come as the incarnate Son and give so much pain up in the death of his only son that he hated sacrifice. He not only hated that but said that he hated the new moons. the feast days. the blood of rams and bullocks he hates all VAIN sacrifice. If you willfully sin or backslid God unless he has decided to utterly harden your heart in unbelief till death do us part or today or sooner than you think…He sent us a Savior that we could be reconciled to him and always have a way out. Was sacrifice the only way to have your sins forgiven if you say yes you are right but it did was not the only way out. In the old testament God says What are the acceptable sacrifices to the Lord for the forgiveness of sins, A humble and a contrite heart he will not hate. You can be restored to Christ by becoming humbled before him and unlike King Saul pleading for the return of the Kingdom and Kingship for his line to succeed him letting Jesus know you are broken for having willingly sinned against him and him alone. See Psalm fifty one. Peter said Love covers a multitude of sins. it also says he is willing to cleanse us from all iniquity. God is willing are we? Being cut off is our fault and not Gods if I am saved it is because the lamb of God died for me and his blood blotted out all my sins if do speak and have a proud heart while their is still life in me I will die in my sins by my own hand not by Gods who wishes that all repent and come to know the saving grace of Christ Jesus. Backsliders are in dire peril I know I was one for years that is if up to before five years ago I was ever saved at all … I think I was but only God knows about then.. Now I have a greater confidence but as a result of sin have lost my first love but I believe he will return it to me if I was saved … I must have been even though the Church now called a cult was legalistic. Beware of such Churches and those who do not edify the brothers and sisters to good works and join themselves together with you in good works all working commonly for the upward goal in Christ Jesus .. The saving of our souls. And Jesus said to the crippled man Go and sin no more.
and Jesus said to the woman caught in Adultery, Woman where are your accusers She said I do not know Lord. If they do not condemn you neither do i go in peace and DO NOT SIN ANY MORE. We all have problems and hidden little sins, and monsters in the closet of this vulgar prosperity seeking earthly church who would not offer a piece of bread to bum even though it might be an angel. Catch us the little foxes that ruin our vineyard. Take account self examine am I in Christ or out of Christ if you are out of Christ go to your knees for a heart of humbleness and repentance. The only truly unforgivable sin is Pride… Why? Because of your continuous denial of the ability of the blood of Christ to heal you.. Even after they had called him a demon Jesus told them that if they did not come to him they would die in their sins if they did not believe in who he said he was and who sent him.
In Revelation men broke out with sores all over their bodies and it says they would not repent from worshiping devils. What does this mean.. that God would forgive them if only the had not been Proud.
The sin that tossed Satan out of Heaven was Pride.
The sin that lost forever the garden of Eden for the Human races suffering was Pride.
The only sin that caused God to regret making man was mans Pride.
He who abides in his pride is like the beast that perishes.
He who is estranged from the truth seeks false truth.
Pride…
Get on your knees today and drink from the supernatural rock and it will lower your blood pressure that has been risen by Stress as a result of
Pride.
Sound Doctrine is believe and obey
if you love me you will obey me.
I love those who love me.
Perfect love casts out all fear.
God is love.
Sincerely in the love Christ who is the Gift of God.
Brother Dave R.
By: David RIchardson on 6 September 2010
at 1:59 am